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To be trusted or Not to be : Rating Agencies

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Moody's, S&P Lose Credibility on CPDOs They Rated (Update1)
By John Glover and Shannon D. Harrington


Aug. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Moody's Investors Service and Standard & Poor's, the arbiters of creditworthiness, are losing their credibility in the fastest growing part of the bond market.
The New York-based ratings firms last month gave a new breed of credit derivatives triple-A ratings, indicating they were as safe as U.S. Treasuries. Now, investors are being offered as little as 70 cents on the dollar for the constant proportion debt obligations, securities that use credit-default swaps to speculate that companies with investment-grade ratings will be able to repay their debt.
``The rating doesn't tell me anything,'' said Bas Kragten, who helps manage the equivalent of about $380 billion as head of asset-backed securities at ING Investment Management in The Hague. ``The chance that a CPDO won't be triple-A tomorrow is a lot greater than it is for the government of Germany.''
The legacy built by John Moody and Henry Varnum Poor a century or more ago is being tarnished by losses on securities linked to everything from subprime mortgages that the firms failed to downgrade before it was too late to high-yield, high- risk loans. Bonds backed by mortgages to people with poor credit fell by more than 50 cents on the dollar in June before the companies started to slash their ratings.
Moody's Corp. shares have fallen 28 percent this year, while McGraw-Hill Cos., the parent of S&P, has declined 24 percent. The firms say they determine the risk of default rather than prices.


Highest Ratings


Ratings are ``a measure of risk on a buy-and-hold basis and say nothing about the pricing volatility of an investment,'' said Gareth Levington, a senior analyst at Moody's in London. ``The market level isn't hugely relevant for the rating.''
S&P's rankings ``are appropriate for existing CPDO structures,'' S&P spokeswoman Felicity Albert in London said.
Derivatives are financial instruments derived from stocks, bonds, loans, currencies and commodities, or linked to specific events like changes in the weather or interest rates.
The rating firms help borrowers structure debt securities in a way that will get the highest possible credit rankings while allowing managers of the securities the most profit, according to Charles Calomiris, the Henry Kaufman professor of financial institutions at New York's Columbia University.

Moody's earned $884 million last year, or 43 percent of total revenue, from rating so-called structured notes, according to Neil Godsey, an equity analyst at Friedman, Billings, Ramsey

Group Inc. in Arlington, Virginia. That's more than triple the $274 million generated in 2001.



`Crossed the Line'


Ratings firms ``used to be seen as good, objective folks dressed in white, who you could count on to give reliable opinions,'' said Christopher Whalen, an analyst at Institutional Risk Analytics, a research firm in Hawthorne, California, that writes software for auditors to determine if banks are accurately valuing their assets. ``But when they got involved in structuring and pricing these deals, I think they crossed the line. They have lost a lot of credibility.''
CPDOs were first created last year by banks ranging from Amsterdam-based ABN Amro Holding NV, the largest Dutch lender, to New York-based Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. HSBC Holdings Plc in London and Dresdner Kleinwort in Frankfurt also sold CPDOs.
Banks created at least $4 billion of CPDOs, promising annual interest of as much as 2 percentage points above money- market rates -- a ``holy grail'' for investors, Bear Stearns Cos. strategist Victor Consoli said in a November conference call.


Selling Insurance


CPDOs sell credit-default swaps, contracts that would pay a buyer face value for bonds if the company that issued the debt can't meet interest payments or otherwise defaults. CPDOs provide insurance on a basket of 250 companies, borrowing up to 15 times their initial capital, boosting their investments to as much as $60 billion.
Moody's and S&P assign their top credit ratings to the securities because of rules designed to ensure they never have to pay a claim. CPDOs only hold swaps on companies with investment-grade ratings.
The first CPDO, ABN Amro's 100 million euros ($136 million) of AAA 10-year ``Surf'' notes, paid about 5.3 percent in annual interest when they were sold a year ago, or about 1.50 percentage points more than floating-rate notes sold by German state lender KfW Group with the same ratings.
Now, investors are finding just how risky CPDOs can be as the cost of protection against default rises, causing existing contracts held by the securities to become less valuable. The iTraxx Europe Index of swaps on 125 companies increased to as much as 70 basis points in July from below 20 basis points in June as corporate credit markets slumped, data compiled by Bloomberg show. A basis point is 0.01 percentage point.


Prices Tumble
CPDO prices probably dropped between 19 percent and 33 percent, Banc of America Securities LLC credit strategist Jeffrey Rosenberg said in a July 30 report.
``Something that's triple-A clearly shouldn't be this volatile,'' David Watts, an analyst at bond research firm CreditSights Inc. in London, said.
ABN Amro's Surf CPDOs fell to as little as 70.2 cents from almost 104 cents on June 6, and were quoted at 76.73 cents yesterday, prices on Bloomberg show. An equivalent price decline on government notes would push the yield as high as 11.7 percent.
The increase in credit-default swap indexes means investors can expect to earn a higher premium for providing debt insurance as soon as new indexes are created in September. To make up for losses, CPDOs would typically increase their borrowing.
ABN Amro's CPDOs are ``behaving well in difficult market conditions,'' said Steve Lobb, global head of structured credit at ABN Amro in London.
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My take from the article
Such reports and views amongst the investor communities is common these days. The Ratings were designed to maintain a long term view of a particular corporate rather than the short term view. As truly said in this article daily markets volatilities are not programmed in the ratings methodology. Markets are volatile enough to question the school of ratings.



Also another question on the street today is about the time delay in the downgrade actions taken by the rating agencies on under performing debt instruments. Its highly likely that if these kinds events become a regular feature in the market and the rating agencies are not capable of the timely action then soon we can see some major quake in the finance markets.



Another big fish in the ocean is monoline guarantors(all AAA rated) . These companies insures/wraps the bonds and make them AAA rating. These insurers have insured more than 1.5$ trillion of the debt. so if the rating agencies credibility goes down then these companies will see the negative rating action which in turn downgrade the deals/securities wrapped by them and BOOM ....... we will have a nice shutdown of the Financial Ecosystem.


This article raises some important questions.

1. What can be the remedy to make sure that rating agencies can be trusted?

2. Should we find another reliable way of rating the instruments?

3. How should we identify the weak links in the financial ecosystem and cure them?



Thanks

Nalin Aeron
 
Interesting and timely stuff.

About the synthetics you mentioned above.... Remember that, whenever you do fixed income, there's a potential difference between the price of a security and its intrinsic value. A lot of synthetic CDO positions--indeed, a lot of long positions in corporate bonds--are looking horrid from the price standpoint right now, but I think the jury's still out on value.

There will be some firms that got caught in the middle of levering up for acquisitions (private equity is obviously the worst exposed, which puts the investment banks providing bridge loans in a very bad position), so it's reasonable to price in a higher credit premium on these notes, but the spreads have widened basically everywhere, and by a lot. Spreads may have been artificially low before, but even so I doubt that risks of default have increased by that much across the board. My feeling is that a lot of this is an added liquidity premium rather than direct risk from the instruments themselves, so if you can afford to sit tight, those positions are almost certainly worth more than they can command in the market right now. Sounds like a good buying opportunity to me....
 
Anything sounds good to Bob sounds good to be, without even thinking, lol, J/K.
Scoop the bottom guys, in case you're sitting on cash, lol
 
Anything sounds good to Bob sounds good to be, without even thinking, lol, J/K.
Scoop the bottom guys, in case you're sitting on cash, lol

Well, I wouldn't say this is the bottom on equities. They're down--what?--about 10% in the past month. Could be there's a little further to go.

Certainly there's some corporate debt out there that's trading at appealing levels, though. Spreads may widen still more in the short term, but if you're looking to buy and hold, timing it becomes a bit less crucial.
 
I concur that, equity can easily go down another 10% from the current level.
 
what is the basis of your speculation. Is it just a guess or you have hard facts to support 10% shift in the index. ...

and the equities can go down further.
but counter arguement is that Cash has to flow to somewhere. if there is no interest in Struct Finance exotic products then money has to be invtested somwhere. This can be seen in the battle of the DJI at 13000. I believe that that investors will move to equities and sustain the index.
 
revisiting the topic of the role of the rating agencies. The following was a comment made by a panelist in the recent ABS East 2007 event in Orlando:

A panelist asserts that the rating agencies failed to educate the market about the limited nature of their role; they are not auditors and they do not independently verify the data that they receive. The number one thing that the rating agencies failed to do was to draw on the knowledge and expertise of their corporate rating groups about what was happing in the markets. They over-relied on models; they over-relied on assumptions rather than on experience. The mortgage lending business became fee-based and front-loaded, so that originators and issuers were no longer exposed to the ongoing performance of their deals. The underlying sub-prime market grew and evolved faster than the rating agencies' ability to assess reliably the risk of the new products. Also, the quantitative models failed to discriminate adequately between loans originated through different channels: retail, brokers, and correspondents.
 
Who is to say BB is not as good as BBB. :) (This is something Prof. Raynes used to say with a wink ;)

Just round off the numbers and we get investment grade. Everyone is happy. Issuers can sell the deal. Rating agency got big fat fee.

Per Prof. Sylvain Raynes teaching, we don't trust any rating agencies :)
When there are so much money in a deal depends on a rating, I bet there are influences and pressures from issuers to rating agencies just to move the numbers a bit.
 
As one of my Stats professors likes to say "depends on who's paying the bill " :)
BB can become BBB or B :)

Havent GS made money on this? If so, their models (or people's reasoning) worked. So they were able to predict the outcome. What is it that they knew that everybody else missed?
 
Havent GS made money on this? If so, their models (or people's reasoning) worked. So they were able to predict the outcome. What is it that they knew that everybody else missed?
Overheard some traders mentioned this morning about some hedge fund that shorted the heck out of assets backed by mortgages. And they got a return of over 600% this year =D>
I didn't catch the name of the firm. Apparently, it's a zero sum game. While you hear about billions of loss at big firms, you would never hear about the billions on the other side.
 
An important issue with the ratings agencies is the quality of staff.

Who here sees working at S&P or Moody's as a job they aspire to get ?
They don't pay well, and the management structure offers weak career paths to people with a quant background.

Very roughly, you can expect more smart people to have worked on the big and complex vehicles presented to the agencies. They execute "due dilligence", but in the real world they are outgunned.
The incentives for the agencies are quite perverse.

Firms like Bloomberg show that non-banks can attract very high level quant talent, and it is not as case of the agencies not being able to afford them. They are quite happy to pay good money to their accountants and sales people. But they see quants skills as a double costs.

Aside from pay, a smart analyst will be able to argue well with the banks, picking up on things someone with less brains or experience will miss, or not understand.

The agencies thus will feel that smarter quants are more trouble and more expensive.

It's a bit like airport security. You want it to be better, but you don't want to be the person that the evangelicals in homeland security decide to sodomise because they think that Singh is a Moslem name,
 
From Yahoo! Finance:

Goldman Sachs heartened investors with word that it didn't expect a significant hit from the subprime mortgage turmoil. Goldman Chief Executive Lloyd Blankfein, speaking at a conference held by Merrill Lynch & Co., said the bank has a short position in the subprime mortgage market and won't be taking any significant charges to write off losses.
 
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